of athlete and something dan has done some reporting on, i believe there are reasons to believe that he would have gotten more benefit from certain drugs than the next guy in some case ms. terms of how his particular blood is. >> rose: when did each of you begin to say to yourself, he is doping? >> maybe you couldn't prove it, but had been thinking about it and somehow there was a straw that broke the camel's back as to his guilt? juliet? >> the first time i tued on thtour of frce and saw h won. >> rose: really? >> that was the first ink cling. >> rose: that he was doping. >> .. >> rose: what made that true? >> what made it true? >> yes. >> i had a feeling all these years like everybody else did and couldn't prove it but in 2006 i interviewed one of his former teammates who admitted to me he used epo in the runup to the 1999 tour and his wife has said it was all for lance, everybody did all of this doping for lance and with frankie, and betsy,is wife, just the way they spoke about lance with the fear that they had about him and the doubt they had that he would do any of these picture